What do a pastor and a struggling country music singer have in common? What did each of them teach the other about confronting the world’s whispers and lies about what defines success, their identity, and ultimately their happiness? On this episode of State of Independence, Joe Watkins interviews one half of the improbable friendship that taught two men about trusting God and experiencing His grace together. His name was Pastor Craig Cooper—and he’s written a book with his famous singer friend—Walker Hayes—about what God has been teaching them. (original airdate 10-21-22)