This year, both candidates for president made a hard play for the affections and votes of Christians—specifically conservative, evangelical, and Catholic voters. Vice President Biden’s campaign expected his lifelong identity as a practicing Catholic would allow him to compete for millions of voters separated from the party of their parents and grandparents because of issues like abortion.

But President Trump’s connection to Christian voters was inseverable. No personal revelation, off-color remark, or Tweet would be enough to break a relationship built on the wall promises he kept to Christian voters. But why?

Today on State of Independence, we’ll talk to a well-known Christian journalist who’s concerned the courting of power—specifically political power may be dimming the Christian witness to a watching world. You won’t want to miss this conversation.

Special guest: Warren Cole Smith